AWESOME!

I'm really suprised it took you that long, though

Here are some EFT numbers for you for damage application at 28K.

All level 5 skills, no implants, no drugs, no heat.

Minni

Hurricane 2TE 2Gyro Barrage: 228 DPS
Cynabal 2TE 2Gyro Barrage: 270 DPS
Stabber 2TE 2Gyro Barrage: 166 DPS
Vaga 2TE 2Gyro Barrage: 277 DPS
Nado 2TE 2Gyro Barrage: 581 DPS

Amarr

Omen: 2TE 2Heat Sink Scorch: 330 DPS
Harb 2TE 2Heat Sink Scorch: 445 DPS
Zealot 2TE 2Heat Sink Scorch: 412 DPS
Omen Navy 2TE 2Heat Sink Scorch: 395 DPS
Oracle 2TE 2Heat Sink Scorch: 649 DPS

Gal (Only one ship reaches out this far with guns that are actually usable... ie blasters)
Talos 2TE 2Mag Stab Null: 678 DPS

Now for the lulzy part: Caldari

Caracal 2BCS with Fury rapid light missile: 236 DPS
Cerberus 2BCS with Scourge Fury rapid light missile: 296 DPS

I will not include any HML because on paper damage is not nearly close to applied damage.

If any one at ccp can understand simple tables, you will notice one thing- giving any of these ships a decrease in optimal or fall off will make everything turn into a brawl. 33% decrease on range for these numbers will make kiting nearly impossible unless you are flying an oracle or zealot. (missile ships excluded)

Why do you hate kiting? Unless you fly a pimped out nado or talos, your pick of cruisers is so limited already. With the proposed changes, you will make almost all turret based ships that are not large size obsoleate, and HMLs / RLMs will rule the sky. Hell even SB's using torps will be viable now. Nothing is going to be hitting them out at 24K anyway.

Please justify this CCP. You clearly have not looked at any of these numbers. Because if you have looked at the these numbers and did still come to the conclusion to nerf TE's asnwer me this-

Why are armor brawling ships becoming the only mode to play this game?

Shockingly not every one that goes out to pvp likes to hit F1 and brawl (or in the case of solo / small gang) get blobbed.

So whilst yes, the % changes are the same against all weapons, this proposed change will affect projectiles proportionately more than hybrids or energy weapons because the starting point is TEs offering more falloff than optimal.

I thought the stabber fit linked about would be an interesting point of reference for the TE changes so I was just fiddling with it a little bit and the results are at the bottom. I think its likely that you will feel this effect (usually between a 5% and 15% Im guessing) at typical engagement ranges for kiting ships like the stabber or the talos - but it seems unlikely that the role of the ship will be compromised to an extent that they would be abandoned. More likely, there will just be some extra room for ships like armor harb or armor brutix to have a role.

The fundamental ability to engage large groups with small ones won't change at all. It may take slightly more time to wear down ships that you isolate, depending on relative ranges, and there may be slightly more flexibility for tackling frigs to be on grid for longer, but overall this change shouldn't shift the meta much.

[Stabber, kiter]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


BARRAGE 6.5% dps drop at 20k

3.51+37.2 with the old TE 187dps@20km

3.23+32 with new TE 175dps@20km

RF EMP - 18% dps drop at 20km

1.75+24.8 with old TE 170dps@20km

1.61+21.3 with new TE 140dps@20km

My biggest objection is simply that it is a blanket nerf. You can't even begin to predict what the meta is going to look like when you adjust a major stim by 33%.

No no no - you don't get it, it's a very very very small adjustment that us plebs will hardly notice - its been said so 'honestly' by Mr. Panda leg , so it MUST be true, especially since all his acolytes are also repeating the same 'brilliant' math - its not about a ~15% nerf to applied dps of already sub-standard ships, noooooo it's about a very very very small adjustment in your range. PL says so, you're wrong, he's right ... Okie ?

See Mach and Cynabal - so stronk - nerf TEs!

*Sarcasm off*

Haha, man, this thread is great, i think more people should ask CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise if they've ever played the game, or flown minnie ships, or kiting ships.

You couldn't script this if you tried.